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		<title>By: timraiders</title>
		<link>http://www.whatsgoingdowntown.com/2009/08/15/rude-awakening/comment-page-1/#comment-10949</link>
		<dc:creator>timraiders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fort Wayne, the ungreen all american city. Who needs tree lined streets anyway. Progress through paying consultants. That&#039;s the way to prosperity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fort Wayne, the ungreen all american city. Who needs tree lined streets anyway. Progress through paying consultants. That&#8217;s the way to prosperity.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
		<link>http://www.whatsgoingdowntown.com/2009/08/15/rude-awakening/comment-page-1/#comment-10816</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It certainly is disconcerting to see the street in a state of such total destruction.  I was much opposed to the &quot;Calhoun Improvement&quot; project until the morning they actually cut down the trees.  Sounds bizarre, but once they removed the trees (my wife and I rode our bikes down to witness the &quot;tragedy&quot; of it all) one could not help but notice how in disrepair the street actually is.  It seems that the canopy of trees (which we are told were in poor health) was actually hiding the true scene below, which turns out to be rusty streetlights, dirty streets and sidewalks in bad need of repair.  

My only hope now is that the execution and quality of the re-facing of the street is timely and well done.  Who knows, maybe we will all look back in a year and say &quot;this looks a lot better&quot;... only time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It certainly is disconcerting to see the street in a state of such total destruction.  I was much opposed to the &#8220;Calhoun Improvement&#8221; project until the morning they actually cut down the trees.  Sounds bizarre, but once they removed the trees (my wife and I rode our bikes down to witness the &#8220;tragedy&#8221; of it all) one could not help but notice how in disrepair the street actually is.  It seems that the canopy of trees (which we are told were in poor health) was actually hiding the true scene below, which turns out to be rusty streetlights, dirty streets and sidewalks in bad need of repair.  </p>
<p>My only hope now is that the execution and quality of the re-facing of the street is timely and well done.  Who knows, maybe we will all look back in a year and say &#8220;this looks a lot better&#8221;&#8230; only time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Pence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I didn&#039;t say we can&#039;t learn from experience or discard memory of past events; we always need to learn from our experiences, both good and bad, and the experiences of others. It&#039;s possible to extract and retain the lesson and move on without incapacitating ourselves by continuing to rehash and relive the experience.

&#039;Tis folly to cry for spilt milk. - Unknown

This is just the first step in redoing those blocks. I choose not to form my opinion or express my pleasure or indignation until I see the final result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I didn&#8217;t say we can&#8217;t learn from experience or discard memory of past events; we always need to learn from our experiences, both good and bad, and the experiences of others. It&#8217;s possible to extract and retain the lesson and move on without incapacitating ourselves by continuing to rehash and relive the experience.</p>
<p>&#8216;Tis folly to cry for spilt milk. &#8211; Unknown</p>
<p>This is just the first step in redoing those blocks. I choose not to form my opinion or express my pleasure or indignation until I see the final result.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.whatsgoingdowntown.com/2009/08/15/rude-awakening/comment-page-1/#comment-10779</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: nothing to be gained from accusations and loud mourning?

When experience is not retained... infancy is perpetual. 
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.  - Santayana

I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll make the street all pretty-like again... with thanks to the taxpayers.   I can see where some of the businesses would be happy about it for sure...   Thanks for the sewer overflow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: nothing to be gained from accusations and loud mourning?</p>
<p>When experience is not retained&#8230; infancy is perpetual.<br />
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.  &#8211; Santayana</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll make the street all pretty-like again&#8230; with thanks to the taxpayers.   I can see where some of the businesses would be happy about it for sure&#8230;   Thanks for the sewer overflow!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Pence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, pleasant as Calhoun Street was, it needed refreshing. What&#039;s done is done and there&#039;s little to be gained from accusations and loud mourning. I wait to see what takes shape in its place. Knowing some of the people involved in the design, I&#039;m optimistic.

If my memory serves me well, there was some public dissatisfaction in the early 1980s over the creation of the transit mall, and then the merchants got upset because they thought the presence of all those &quot;bus people&quot; was driving away customers. When the bus transfer area moved to Baker Street and Superior Street, and the bus people were gone, some business owners realized that what little business they had was from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, pleasant as Calhoun Street was, it needed refreshing. What&#8217;s done is done and there&#8217;s little to be gained from accusations and loud mourning. I wait to see what takes shape in its place. Knowing some of the people involved in the design, I&#8217;m optimistic.</p>
<p>If my memory serves me well, there was some public dissatisfaction in the early 1980s over the creation of the transit mall, and then the merchants got upset because they thought the presence of all those &#8220;bus people&#8221; was driving away customers. When the bus transfer area moved to Baker Street and Superior Street, and the bus people were gone, some business owners realized that what little business they had was from them.</p>
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		<title>By: SwiSh</title>
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		<dc:creator>SwiSh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(We were down at the Pint and Slice until fairly late. Early the next morning, going to Barr Street, Calhoun was already decimated. So, before there could be anymore public outcry, they rushed in, ON A SATURDAY- can you say overtime- to start the destruction.)

It&#039;s the same way they took down St. Pauls Cathedral.  In the middle of the night, on a weekend.  Before anyone knew what was going on, the demo had already begun.  However, I do see the flipside.  Delivery trucks need to get down there, in order to have buisness, or bigger buisnesses.  The reason there isn&#039;t more shops, is becuase it&#039;s horribly expensive to have one down there.  I&#039;d just like to know how they re-used all the wood they cut down?  Oh, right... mulch!  Too many companies in this town make way too much money through destruction.  A farce indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(We were down at the Pint and Slice until fairly late. Early the next morning, going to Barr Street, Calhoun was already decimated. So, before there could be anymore public outcry, they rushed in, ON A SATURDAY- can you say overtime- to start the destruction.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same way they took down St. Pauls Cathedral.  In the middle of the night, on a weekend.  Before anyone knew what was going on, the demo had already begun.  However, I do see the flipside.  Delivery trucks need to get down there, in order to have buisness, or bigger buisnesses.  The reason there isn&#8217;t more shops, is becuase it&#8217;s horribly expensive to have one down there.  I&#8217;d just like to know how they re-used all the wood they cut down?  Oh, right&#8230; mulch!  Too many companies in this town make way too much money through destruction.  A farce indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: barranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>barranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was really a tough issue for me. I think I have a good grasp on the issues involved (as it seems that Greider and Corcoran do). I just find it hard to believe that Calhoun was such a priority at this point that we needed to spend $1+ million in this economy to fix the most walkable street in town. By the way, I saw this article a few weeks ago. Scroll down to the bistro license thing. http://www.metromodemedia.com/features/cheapdowntownrevitalization0126.aspx 

I couldn&#039;t help but see the irony - business owners that favor wider sidewalks to on-street parking / loading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was really a tough issue for me. I think I have a good grasp on the issues involved (as it seems that Greider and Corcoran do). I just find it hard to believe that Calhoun was such a priority at this point that we needed to spend $1+ million in this economy to fix the most walkable street in town. By the way, I saw this article a few weeks ago. Scroll down to the bistro license thing. <a href="http://www.metromodemedia.com/features/cheapdowntownrevitalization0126.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.metromodemedia.com/features/cheapdowntownrevitalization0126.aspx</a> </p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t help but see the irony &#8211; business owners that favor wider sidewalks to on-street parking / loading.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Greider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Greider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Corcoran on this.  This street and sidewalk needs major activity, not just lunch at three places.  And no offense to Joe S., but this is Calhoun (http://tinyurl.com/pk8usk) is much more aesthetically pleasing to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Corcoran on this.  This street and sidewalk needs major activity, not just lunch at three places.  And no offense to Joe S., but this is Calhoun (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/pk8usk" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/pk8usk</a>) is much more aesthetically pleasing to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! That was quick! Wonder if the new ice rink will be done by next week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW! That was quick! Wonder if the new ice rink will be done by next week?</p>
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		<title>By: Corcoran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corcoran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, my lone cry, but I&#039;d like the city to incorporate more evergreen into their downtown landscaping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, my lone cry, but I&#8217;d like the city to incorporate more evergreen into their downtown landscaping.</p>
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